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post Nov 26 2007, 03:11 AM
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QUOTE(steiner @ Nov 25 2007, 10:52 AM) *

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The amount who think Africa is a CONTINENT is ridiculous.

I thought Africa is a continent..?

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post Nov 26 2007, 02:53 PM
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OOPS my bad LOl i meant the amount of people who think Africa's a country hahaha But i think my overall point was made biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(steiner @ Nov 5 2007, 12:00 PM) *

A recent poll showed that over 50% of Americans think Bush should bomb Iraq.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bomb_Iran_ma..._says_1030.html

Its shocking. Couple that with the fact that only 40% of Americans know where Iraq is on a map of the Middle East and only 25% know where Iran and Israel are makes the situation even worse.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12591413/
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/...e7e8544da0.html

So, for those of you in America, what do you think is wrong with the education? Why is it so many people are narrow minded and uneducated, and how can the problem be solved?




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The war is fer Bush's own gain, he only has his eye on the oil, not his people, he's only trying to follow in "Daddy's Footsteps", people know that Bush is nothing more as he's comaprable to a "Lump of Wood".


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post Dec 7 2007, 12:03 PM
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whats wrong with america? i was thinking whats right with it


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post Dec 8 2007, 03:24 AM
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QUOTE(Tidus1 @ Dec 7 2007, 07:03 AM) *

whats wrong with america? i was thinking whats right with it

Have you not noticed the obscene immorality tolerated in the American culture?


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post Dec 10 2007, 11:07 AM
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what do you mean

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post Dec 11 2007, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(Tidus1 @ Dec 10 2007, 06:07 AM) *

what do you mean

Well...(sorry, I forget not everyone thinks like me). The American culture and media is just so tolerant of so many things that I find immoral, like premarital sex, getting drunk, and the love of money.


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i think that they just take advatage of these things that they can do because that all alot of americans do.


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post Dec 12 2007, 12:54 AM
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Well...(sorry, I forget not everyone thinks like me). The American culture and media is just so tolerant of so many things that I find immoral, like premarital sex, getting drunk, and the love of money.


Uh actually we have quite a bit more censorship than other countries. And alot of immoral acts that are illegal and prosecuted here are sold in broad daylight overseas also.

So ye with no sin can cast the first stone(or however that goes).
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post Dec 12 2007, 01:24 AM
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QUOTE(JudasOne @ Dec 11 2007, 07:54 PM) *

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Well...(sorry, I forget not everyone thinks like me). The American culture and media is just so tolerant of so many things that I find immoral, like premarital sex, getting drunk, and the love of money.


Uh actually we have quite a bit more censorship than other countries. And alot of immoral acts that are illegal and prosecuted here are sold in broad daylight overseas also.

OK, I don't know much about media in foreign countries, so I believe you.

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So ye with no sin can cast the first stone(or however that goes).

Yes, that's how it goes, but I never said I was sinless...


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post Dec 12 2007, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE(Resurrection @ Dec 11 2007, 12:13 AM) *

QUOTE(Tidus1 @ Dec 10 2007, 06:07 AM) *

what do you mean

Well...(sorry, I forget not everyone thinks like me). The American culture and media is just so tolerant of so many things that I find immoral, like premarital sex, getting drunk, and the love of money.


I think love of money comes down to greed in general don't it? Money is good for just two things: a middleman towards more material goods or a middleman t'ward power. PI disagree with the stuff you find immoral as wll but thats because of our differing believes, each one of those is a debate topic on its own so am not gonna start an argument. You're entitled to believe, feel, and act any way you want, problems only arisie when people try to force those beliefs on others.

And thats where we get to the area I disagree with you I would like to discuss: tolerance. Whatever your beliefs I don't think being more "OK" with immoral things is the decline of society, but the improvement of it. In my opinion the more tolerant you can be towards those who believe something other than you, the more you are on the moral highground. So if media and culture is accepting more and more of this sleaze or whatever you want to call it is a good thing, whether you think the actions themselves are good or not.

...that make any sense to anyone?


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Actually you made it, and quite right I would say. The good thing to do is respect the views of other people in spite of disagreeing with them. Resurrection may find those things inmoral but there are many people in the world (including myself) who don't, and for me the moral thing is to respect that, since his views are also quite respectable.

The bad thing is that people forget that everyday. We always tend to think our views are the correct ones no matter what


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post Dec 14 2007, 02:44 AM
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QUOTE(Fox @ Dec 11 2007, 09:24 PM) *

QUOTE(Resurrection @ Dec 11 2007, 12:13 AM) *

QUOTE(Tidus1 @ Dec 10 2007, 06:07 AM) *

what do you mean

Well...(sorry, I forget not everyone thinks like me). The American culture and media is just so tolerant of so many things that I find immoral, like premarital sex, getting drunk, and the love of money.


I think love of money comes down to greed in general don't it? Money is good for just two things: a middleman towards more material goods or a middleman t'ward power. PI disagree with the stuff you find immoral as wll but thats because of our differing believes, each one of those is a debate topic on its own so am not gonna start an argument. You're entitled to believe, feel, and act any way you want, problems only arisie when people try to force those beliefs on others.

And thats where we get to the area I disagree with you I would like to discuss: tolerance. Whatever your beliefs I don't think being more "OK" with immoral things is the decline of society, but the improvement of it. In my opinion the more tolerant you can be towards those who believe something other than you, the more you are on the moral highground. So if media and culture is accepting more and more of this sleaze or whatever you want to call it is a good thing, whether you think the actions themselves are good or not.

...that make any sense to anyone?

Yes, this makes sense to me in a way. But why should we tolerate something that is leading to the decline of society? Shouldn't something be done to stop it? Otherwise there will be no society eventually. We should try to respect the views of others, but we do not have to tolerate them if they are harming society, do we?


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That's a good point, but I think finding the line between doing good for society and forcing your beliefs onto others is quite difficult. And it also depends what you mean by "harming society". If it's a moral decline I think most stuff has to be tolerated as morality is a subjective thing.

If its the physical decline of society ie: this behaviour is leading to deaths/hunger etc etc then maybe discouraging steps at least should be taken.

Personally there's very little I wouldn't tolerate. My views are libertarian. If you don't murder, steal, or rape etc my view is you should be able to do whatever the heck you like. Drugs? Prostitution? Both key things I think should be legalised.


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Yes, since being legal or not, there will always be people who will try them and people who will not. Being illegal make those things more appealing if you ask me (and it doesn't help much since people make use of both things quite intensely without much fear)

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Well...(sorry, I forget not everyone thinks like me). The American culture and media is just so tolerant of so many things that I find immoral, like premarital sex, getting drunk, and the love of money.


Premarital sex is a religious issue. It is up to the individual to make that choice...not yours or anyone elses. All they (we) can do is guide them and hope they make the right choices, and be smart about it.

(Also, that's why they have churches, for all those that believe the same way can live the same way in their own little world. Religious beliefs should stay COMPLETELY seperate from society. Although here in America, I think it's like 80% of people are religious...maybe 75%...something like that...but still...what religious people call "Gods laws" should NOT be mixed with "Mans law" )

Getting drunk is also another personal choice and a way to relax for people....there is nothing wrong with that....also...there are anti-drinking ads (woohhooo right? lol), laws that prevent underaged drinkers from drinking (although, thre is a LOT of underaged drinking), and they are all punishable by law....whether it be fines or jail time.

The love of money: A huge percentage of America is in poverty....(not as bad as some countries, but still) soo of course there is a love of money. People want to have what the rich have...have no debt, buy what we want, money is happiness....

You know that sayin..."Money can't buy you happiness" is true..HOWEVER, it sure does help....no debts, no worries, no stress.

Also, like Judas had said....we are more censored than most countries...we have to pay for GOOD porn here, prostitution is illegal (except in vegas), bein nude in public is jail time, being drunk in public is jail time, having sex in public is jailtime..etc etc....

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why should we tolerate something that is leading to the decline of society?


Because we are the land of the free.....we make our own choices...we are not declining

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Shouldn't something be done to stop it? Otherwise there will be no society eventually.


No, nothing should be done to stop it...

This is why the laws are in place to maintain order to make sure the society never dies out. Besides that, society will NEVER die.

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QUOTE(rainbowbrat @ Dec 14 2007, 10:01 AM) *

Yes you do because what you think is harming society really isn't.

Forget what I said about sex and alcohol and money...my point was that if something is harmful to society, something should be done about it. Isn't that the point of government, to make sure that the interests of the State are being protected?


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what is harmful? What exactly are you refering too then?

Terrorism? Cause bush took care of that rolleyes.gif (sarcasm btw)


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^ That's true. But I think it's important to define "harmful to society" clearly. Define "society" in fact! It's easy to see an uncivillized society - living as savage barbarians every peron for themselves and eating the weak sort of thing.

I think all a society is is a group of people coexisting. It's still everyone for themselves but sometimes peolpe can be kind and we build set rules so that we can thrive. Government is in place to aid the coexistence of these people, so obviously murder etc is out of the question. But beyond that, what is harming society is very difficult to ascertain.


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QUOTE(rainbowbrat @ Dec 14 2007, 05:36 PM) *

what is harmful? What exactly are you refering too then?

Terrorism? Cause bush took care of that rolleyes.gif (sarcasm btw)

How can you say that there is nothing in America that needs to be fixed? The US has loads of problems.

It doesn't really matter what is harmful, I'm speaking in general. I just say that if something contributes to the decline of society it should be stopped.

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Government is in place to aid the coexistence of these people, so obviously murder etc is out of the question. But beyond that, what is harming society is very difficult to ascertain.

Beyond murder, I don't think defining what is harmful to society is difficult to ascertain, for the most part. For example, drugs. If someone gets addicted to drugs, he is unlikely to become a contributing member of society. Therefore the government has laws against drugs because it is harmful to society.

I define "harmful to society" as anything that is in opposition to the prosperity of the State as a whole.

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QUOTE(Resurrection @ Dec 13 2007, 06:44 PM) *

why should we tolerate something that is leading to the decline of society?


Because we are the land of the free.....we make our own choices...we are not declining

Sometimes we must restrict freedom in order to preserve it. For example, we restrict the freedom to murder so that the freedom to live is not violated. We restrict the freedom to exceed the speed limit because it is endangering the freedom of life of other drivers on the road. Murder and speeding is not tolerated. The State must find a healthy balance of freedoms and restrictions in order to have a prosperous society. We must accept some freedoms and restrict others.


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