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Wolfeyes
post Dec 10 2007, 10:07 PM
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Just a question to Americans on what they think.

While impeachments are pretty rare, I think that when you consider why Clinton got axed Bush should have been packing his bags a long time ago. Now, while the idea of his "War on Terror" (ever notice how everytime governments want to fights something they declare war on it? "War on Drugs", "War on Violence", "War on Homlessness", etc.) is up for debate Bush seems to have a talent for shooting himself in the foot. For example, dear Mr. President, how come all your "concilours" make so much ridiculous amounts of money for just being on company boards?

I think the latest thing SHOULD constitute him getting knocked out but don't see anyone acting on it. Bush's OWN intelligence people have recently released reports showing that Bush has lied to both the people and Congress over the issues in Iraq and making things look more "scary" than they actually are. I think if I remember right Bush was saying (about 2 months back)about how Irian's secret nuclear program would start WWIII. Ever since 2005 we've been hearing harpings about it while Iran has been saying no, they haven't. However, surprise, surprise, Bush's own intelligence people finally went public with the actual findings that not only was Bush lying but Iran's not likely to work on any weapons till 2015.

So much for those anti missile programs you were planning on placing nearby, Mr. President. And if you were to be impeached, while you may be missed by few, as a lame duck president you couldn't do much anyway anymore.

So, what does everyone else think? I doubt anyone will but it's a nice thing to think about.


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post Dec 11 2007, 12:00 AM
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For starters there isnt near enough time to impeach him. Clinton was impeached and he didn't leave office early.

Secondly he's not even close to be the first nor will he be the last American president to lie to the general public. I doubt there's been a president that hasn't lied to the people.

Third do you think things would be better if Chaney took over?
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post Dec 11 2007, 12:17 AM
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I've never thought about it, but I don't think I know enough about him and his presidency to make a good judgment.


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post Dec 11 2007, 01:43 AM
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Impeachment is completely impossible and out of the question. It is something that the American far left simply says out of their hatred for him.


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post Dec 11 2007, 10:03 AM
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^And also Non-Americans.
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post Dec 11 2007, 10:10 AM
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I am not too up to date on Bushes actions...but I dont think it is really grounds for impeachment. No one is to blame but ourselves...and specifically the americans who voted him in a second time. If it was really that big of a deal....we would have over thrown the government by now...but he hasnt done anything to constitute that. (because not a person has done anything like that yet?)


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post Dec 11 2007, 10:19 PM
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*Wrong thread X_X*

This post has been edited by Wolfeyes: Dec 11 2007, 10:20 PM


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post Dec 13 2007, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE(JudasOne @ Dec 11 2007, 12:00 AM) *

Third do you think things would be better if Chaney took over?

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Yeah. That would be great for the future of America. /sarcasm



But impeachement is pretty much out of the question. I think most of the damage has been done already by Bush anyway.


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post Dec 13 2007, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(JudasOne @ Dec 10 2007, 04:00 PM) *

For starters there isnt near enough time to impeach him. Clinton was impeached and he didn't leave office early.


Clinton was not impeached...they tried, but fell short by 10 votes or something like that.

As far as Bush goes, it is too late to impeach, but he should diffenantly not be allowed in office again.

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I am not too up to date on Bushes actions...but I dont think it is really grounds for impeachment. No one is to blame but ourselves...and specifically the americans who voted him in a second time. If it was really that big of a deal....we would have over thrown the government by now...but he hasnt done anything to constitute that. (because not a person has done anything like that yet?)


First of all, WE are not to blame, it is ONLY the people that voted for him. (I voted Kerry BTW)

second....Seriously! Why haven't we overthrown the government yet?

And he has done enough to where he shoulda been kicked out....if not just for him bein a babbling idiot, but for this stupid war. Why hasn't he gotten Bin Ladden yet? Wasn't that one of the MAIN reasons we were there? rolleyes.gif


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post Dec 14 2007, 12:08 AM
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^Clinton wasnt impeached?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/clinton_...news/238784.stm
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post Dec 14 2007, 05:03 PM
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No he wasn't...even in the article you posted says so:

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With a Republican majority in Congress, the vote was all but a foregone conclusion


It never went through.

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Although the impeachment process succeeded at the level of the House of Representatives, without the Senate's confirming action in this matter, no further action was taken.


Google it too, wikepedia says so as well tongue.gif


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post Dec 14 2007, 11:47 PM
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the first line says:

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William Jefferson Clinton has become only the second president in the history of the United States to be impeached.


and here's another article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_impeachment

which also states that he was indeed impeached.
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post Dec 15 2007, 08:18 PM
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Clinton was impeached, it is just that when most people hear the word impeachment they think of Nixon. Impeachment is the trial process, then if found guilty or whatever it is, the president is then removed from office. So yes, Clinton was impeached, but no he wasn't removed from office.

There ya go, just thought this would help!


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post Dec 16 2007, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE(JudasOne @ Dec 11 2007, 06:03 AM) *

^And also Non-Americans.


Or just about anyone with an iota of sanity left in them.


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post Dec 16 2007, 03:42 AM
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^and why is that? Care to explain your position?

Its amazing how many ppl think that Bush(or any president) is the culprit for everything our country does. In reality he doesnt have much power unless we have declared war or he has the backing of Congress. He is mostly a face man and an easy target for the less informed.
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post Dec 16 2007, 04:06 AM
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QUOTE(JudasOne @ Dec 15 2007, 08:42 PM) *

^and why is that? Care to explain your position?

Its amazing how many ppl think that Bush(or any president) is the culprit for everything our country does. In reality he doesnt have much power unless we have declared war or he has the backing of Congress. He is mostly a face man and an easy target for the less informed.


Well there is a pretty good reason why the US always gits the blame, but the idea of Bush's Concept to the showing that eveyone says "Oh, he's just trying to follow in Daddy's footsteps." But look closer, he thinks like a mumbling baby, he even Bored Pope John Paul II, but to the point, yea he doesn't have power he just acts tough to try in show that "he's the best" n' all that other S***, the war was nothing but for his own gain, he's trying to claim the oil in the middle east for himself in his own profit. The forging in his ideas are mostly wrong, many clain fer this war to be one mistake, and that it could have been prevented in any way, he's a screw-up. dry.gif


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post Dec 16 2007, 04:26 AM
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I dont see why everyone thinks that Bush is there for his own profit. You all do understand that it is a UN sanctioned act and that the US isnt the only country over there right? Or maybe Bush jr has a lot more stroke than I thought if he can get those other countries to come to Iraq all for his personal profit. Wow maybe he's not the idiot the world thinks he is.
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post Dec 17 2007, 09:31 PM
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no, he is the idiot we think he is...have you not heard his speaches??

We may not be the only country over there, but, as far as I remember, most have withdrawn their troops to where as Bush wants to add more.

This war has gone on longer than the civil war did...he went there to:

1. get sadam hussein...done.

2. He went to try to help their government become a democratic government....done. (I don't remember any other countries trying to do this BTW)

3. he wanted an end to the weapons of mass destruction they were building...done (as far as I know, but I could be thinking of China or Korea...someone correct me if I am wrong please!)

Now from what I understood...out of the 40 countries that were helping supply the war, there is only like 15 left or something...I really do not remember right now, and I can't research ATM, but yeah...

Bush IS an idiot...I mean...he claimed victory before it was, and then retracted his statemnet saying he was gettung ahead of himself...

I gott go now, but I will be back to finish my thoughts and stuff...iI will edit, or reply if anyone replies after me tongue.gif

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post Dec 17 2007, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(JudasOne @ Dec 16 2007, 04:26 AM) *

I dont see why everyone thinks that Bush is there for his own profit. You all do understand that it is a UN sanctioned act and that the US isnt the only country over there right? Or maybe Bush jr has a lot more stroke than I thought if he can get those other countries to come to Iraq all for his personal profit. Wow maybe he's not the idiot the world thinks he is.

Wait a sec. Are you trying to say that the invasion of Iraq was sanctioned by the UN?

If you think that you are gravely mistaken. The UN didn't sanction the invasion of Iraq despite the desperate attempts to lie about how dangerous Iraq were.

So, lets move onto the invasion of Iraq. Apart from US there was the UK, with smaller amounts of forces from Australia and Poland. The only reason the UK joined was because Tony Blair was George Bush's poodle. He would do anything to get his masters favour, even if it meant going against the million British people who actively got up and protested against the war. Thats like one in 60 British people spending a whole day protesting. But still, Tony Blair really wanted to stay strong allies with America.

The rest of the people who joined were bought in by the lies about Iraq - about its weapons and how dangerous it was and the like. It also helped that John Howard was right wing.


@RB: His actual reasons for going into Iraq were in the singular. Weapons of Mass Destruction. Which were lies of course. Once he got there then he conveniently changed his reasons. But you're right about the rest.

Oh yeah, and he also said God told him to invade Iraq. Now...that sounds familiar...can anyone place it?


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post Dec 18 2007, 12:49 AM
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Impeachment for the reasons you say would be un-Democratic. The American People elected him as their leader - it would take something enormously significant for any council or individual (idk who takes the decision to impeach myself) to override the will of the people.


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