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post Jan 2 2008, 04:54 PM
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^I think the rest of that was disclaimed in other parts of the bible!


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:00 PM
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It also says "thou shalt not judge, or ye be judged thyself" or some shit....so that is kind of a contradiction no?

If you're gay, or don't believe as we do, you will burn in hell....That's judging, is it not?

I was watching a protest and they were saying all kinds of things like this...people piss me off...it's their life, who the hell are they to make desisions for someone elses life ya know?


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:05 PM
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Yeah... it is rather odd how people who follow the same teachings can arrive at so many different conclusions. Personally I think all "teachings" should be critically analyzed. I cant get my head around the "I'll take your word for it" attitude of religion.

That's all faith is. Believing blindly without independent thought. Some people think on the subject and arrive at the conclusion christianity or whatever is right although I dont agree with the conclusions I agree with their way of thinking. The bible is too contradictory and pretty damn bloodthirsty to be taken as fact without independent thought I find.


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:10 PM
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Totally agree.....I was raised and baptised mormon, left the church when I was 14. The bishop caught me smokin pot outside, and he called my mom out of her class to talk to me & him...My response was: God said to layeth down in the green grass" laugh.gif

Anyways...I asked him a bunch of questions, and all he could answer was "Heavenly Father works in his own ways"

What kinda BS is that?

I told him he didn't know shit, and that the whole religion thing is BS...I got ex-communicated for a couple other various reasons...but yeah xD



At 8 years old, Southern Baptists told me I was going to hell because I was a mormon.
Judge much?

Religion pisses me off....seriously irritates me.

There is a lot more I could go off on, but I won't...


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:12 PM
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The Bible clearly states that being gay is a sin throughout.

Its advice is also often contradictory, so in those cases you can interpret it pretty much how you like.


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:15 PM
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^ I do not remember anything in the bible about it...honestly. (but it has been a few years...ok..10 years, since I read the bible xD)

Besides...even if it is a sin in the bible...according to the bible, it is God that judges, not all of the christian followers....that is judging, and thou shalt not judge wink.gif


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:24 PM
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^Exactly.

Yet, by the same logic you shouldnt put anyone in prison, since that is judging them.


See the confused mess that occurs due to the different quotations in the Bible?

First it's telling you to wage holy wars, then it's telling you to turn the other cheek, then it's telling that Jews are superior to other races, and then it starts saying all races are equal, then its saying that women are inferior to men and then its saying that all people are equal. It does my head in sometimes.


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:29 PM
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Yet, by the same logic you shouldnt put anyone in prison, since that is judging them.


No...because this is "Mans law" and you will be punished for breaking mans law.

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First it's telling you to wage holy wars, then it's telling you to turn the other cheek, then it's telling that Jews are superior to other races, and then it starts saying all races are equal, then its saying that women are inferior to men and then its saying that all people are equal. It does my head in sometimes.


Don't forget that being gay, murder, cheating & stealing is a sin, but "God forgives"


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:34 PM
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Genesis 1:29
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it.

Sounds like he approved of pot use at least.

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post Jan 2 2008, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(rainbowbrat @ Jan 2 2008, 05:29 PM) *

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Yet, by the same logic you shouldnt put anyone in prison, since that is judging them.


No...because this is "Mans law" and you will be punished for breaking mans law.

I think you're mising my point. Say if man decided that being gay, like stealing is a sin. The next logical step would then be to create laws to punish any gay acts and also create laws to punish any theft.

You say that it is unfair to punish gay acts and put the 'offenders' in prison because the Bible says that God is the one who must judge, even if man were to create a law commanding it. Likewise, by that same logic it would be unfair for Christians to punish theft because by punishing them, you are judging them in a court of law.

Essentially, if man's laws were based on Christianity, by your logic there would be no laws at all since laws cannot be upheld without punishment.


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(steiner @ Jan 2 2008, 09:36 AM) *

QUOTE(rainbowbrat @ Jan 2 2008, 05:29 PM) *

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Yet, by the same logic you shouldnt put anyone in prison, since that is judging them.


No...because this is "Mans law" and you will be punished for breaking mans law.

I think you're mising my point. Say if man decided that being gay, like stealing is a sin. The next logical step would then be to create laws to punish any gay acts and also create laws to punish any theft.

You say that it is unfair to punish gay acts and put the 'offenders' in prison because the Bible says that God is the one who must judge, even if man were to create a law commanding it. Likewise, by that same logic it would be unfair for Christians to punish theft because by punishing them, you are judging them in a court of law.


OH OK! LOL, Gotchya...but the only problem with that is:

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Essentially, if man's laws were based on Christianity, by your logic there would be no laws at all since laws cannot be upheld without punishment.


Religion and politics are not suppose to reflect on each other....State must be seperate from religion....But since America is such a religious country, they seem to have forgotten that small little detail and mixed them anyway.

And that was what I was basing my logic off of....seperatism. xD


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:45 PM
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^I agree. I dont think religion is capable of being used effectively in politics anyway. Its far too wishy washy.


All I was saying back then was that, by your logic (I love that phrase XD) Christians should believe that putting thieves in prison is wrong.


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post Jan 2 2008, 05:47 PM
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The church and state should be seperated. Just so happens that the 10 commandments cover most laws in a broad sense.

http://www.allabouttruth.org/10-commandments.htm
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post Jan 2 2008, 05:54 PM
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^Except half of them are pretty rubbish by modern day standards.

Its true though that it does agree with some of the fundamental laws. But religion isn't needed to make those fundamental laws anyway.


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post Jan 2 2008, 06:31 PM
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Check the US constitution! There is no doubt that when America was founded it was intedned to be a secular nation which did not take religion into its politics. How irnoic that that seems to have been reversed whilst the UK, whose government was founded on the church of England, manages to separate the two.


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post Jan 2 2008, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(rainbowbrat @ Dec 31 2007, 02:23 PM) *

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I'm sure paganism comes into this somewhere, but I've long given up debating in here. I'll just throw that in there


Pagans do not have the same bible as christians....afterall..pagans are not christian. So paganism should not come into play anywhere. UNLESS you are speaking of how the christians took some of the pagans ways and turned them into something for themselves. IE: Christmas. (just 1 off the top of my head)


I meant the whole agnostic debate thing. NVM.


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QUOTE(steiner @ Jan 2 2008, 05:47 AM) *

Thats good to hear. Out of curiousity, do you also believe that Adam came before Eve?
And do you believe in evolution?

I would suppose that Adam came before Eve, but it's hard to say. I believe in theistic evolution (evolution guided by God), as opposed to atheistic evolution (completely random, I think), what they teach you in biology class.

QUOTE(Fox @ Jan 2 2008, 11:32 AM) *

One thing that has always bugged me about the logic of Christianity:

Jesus was a Jew. King of the Jews. But those who follow Jesus follow a different religion. So in worshipping Jesus and accepting him as the Saviour, and more to the point starting a new religion form him, arfn't you saying that Jesus himself was wrong?

There's something screwy going on there...

Jesus was the King of the Jews because He was descended from David, the first King of the Jews. The throne was inherited.

Guys, the Bible does not say that being gay is a sin, it says that practicing homosexuality is a sin. There is a difference. And when it says "Do not judge" I would assume that to mean to not judge whether a person is going to heaven or hell. If we couldn't make judgments in everyday life things would get really screwed up.


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QUOTE(Resurrection @ Jan 2 2008, 10:42 PM) *

QUOTE(steiner @ Jan 2 2008, 05:47 AM) *

Thats good to hear. Out of curiousity, do you also believe that Adam came before Eve?
And do you believe in evolution?

I would suppose that Adam came before Eve, but it's hard to say. I believe in theistic evolution (evolution guided by God), as opposed to atheistic evolution (completely random, I think), what they teach you in biology class.

How exactly can you have theistic evolution? I can understand God creating a world in which he allowed evolution to occur in order to produce humans, but is that what you meant?

And also Atheistic evolution isn't really random in the sense that most people mean, since its all based upon probability. While the individual mutations themselves occur sort of randomly, the end result is not random. The probability that highly adapted creatures will be born after millions of years is very high indeed. All that is required for evolution to occur is the chance that things will mutate. How fast mutation occurs determines the speed of evolution.

I could have just misinterpreted what you meant though.


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QUOTE(steiner @ Jan 2 2008, 05:55 PM) *

QUOTE(Resurrection @ Jan 2 2008, 10:42 PM) *

QUOTE(steiner @ Jan 2 2008, 05:47 AM) *

Thats good to hear. Out of curiousity, do you also believe that Adam came before Eve?
And do you believe in evolution?

I would suppose that Adam came before Eve, but it's hard to say. I believe in theistic evolution (evolution guided by God), as opposed to atheistic evolution (completely random, I think), what they teach you in biology class.

How exactly can you have theistic evolution? I can understand God creating a world in which he allowed evolution to occur in order to produce humans, but is that what you meant?

Yes, basically. Also, He may have caused the genetic mutations that led to the development of Mankind.


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