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> New MGS4 trailer. *Potential Spoilers*, Did you rike it? The mind boggles.
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post May 2 2008, 01:16 AM
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The reason I put "Potential Spoilers" in here is because some people may not want to know much of the story in MGS4 and this could be a biggie (probably not since it was officially released by Kojima) but since the spoiler tag is in the topic title, that means there should be no expectation of spoiler warnings before discussion occurs about this trailer). Last warning, you have been warned!


http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33452.html

Young Snake in Shadow Moses? RE being repeated everywhere? Could that be a MGS1 REmake with the MGS4 Engine? Or could that mean the flashbacks are bits and pieces (important bits and pieces) of the MGS story-line to bring the player in on the story of the MGS games in general (for those that haven't played the game)?

It takes up 50 GB and Kojima had to cut some stuff because a dual layered Blu-Ray disk wasn't enough for him - could this be partly why?

Also notice the "Metal Gear 10th anniversary tag" at the end - is that when the original MGS came out? There's so much hinting at a remake of MGS1 in some form, in the MGS4 engine. AHHHH!

Of course the logical explanation would be that it's Snake wearing his young snake mask (if it was a flashback, he would have the sneaking suit that's seen in MGS1 on and his gun would be the same as it was in MGS1 - There'd also be guards and spotlights - it wouldn't be covered in snow and ruins).

I love speculation. biggrin.gif

Either way, this game is going to be epic. epic.


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post May 3 2008, 12:18 AM
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snake (ki) and I were thinking that it is post-MGS, as he has a different sneaking suit, not the one in MGS, plus that the game enters through a snow field, not the elevator entrance that starts off the game, and there is no Hynd D that Liquid rides at the start

to me, it could just be a simple flashback, but i hope that there are plot elements that bring us to the past before MGS4, and maybe a bit after MGS2 (maybe right after mgs2 something happens and there is something uncovered at shadow mosses.... or something like that) that make the plot more expansive through time, because there is several years that we don't know anything about ...but who knows


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post May 3 2008, 12:43 AM
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Yea, I said that was the logical explanation. It's pretty obvious (at least the part they showed) that it wasn't an MGS remake. Who knows though, maybe they'll create a remake out of this depending on how much of the original they had to recreate (though it's a tad too early for a remake but the Playstation actually hasn't gotten a remake, just the Gamecube).


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post May 3 2008, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE(Delusive @ May 1 2008, 08:16 PM) *

Either way, this game is going to be epic. epic.

No, no, no! This game is going to be EPIC! xD

Yeah. I RIKED it a lot, actually. This is how I like the games:

MGS1 - Favorite
MGS3 - Second Favorite
MGS2 - Third Favorite

Like andrzej posted above me, this dream apparently takes place after MGS1. Snake has the eye patch and seems much older than when he was in the first one. A remake of the first game in MGS4? I doubt it. Having dreams taking place in Shadow Moses that are playable, highly likely. Either way, I believe that this is in the game. Unless Kojima is pulling our leg. I remember andrzej and I discussing the games on the headset a bunch after I played the Essential Collection, and I remember him saying that he saw footage of Snake battling Fortune. That never was in the game. So, I don't know.

Now about the RE's. Well, didn't Kojima use a trailer or trailers for MGS3 that were related to food, the words I mean. I don't know. RE means something, what I don't know. Yes, 1998 is 10 years ago. So, yeah, 10th anniversary is correct. If... and I say IF Kojima remakes MGS1 in HD for the PS3 and puts it with MGS4 I will **** his ****! xD Though, only the subtle hint is saying that, and Snake doesn't look like he does in MGS1, so I don't know if there is going to be a remake. We will go back to Shadow Moses, most definitely. In fact, we better. I love Shadow Moses.

No, no, no! Don't say mask! Ugh. I hate that. I want a young Snake in MGS4. No, I don't want a young Snake to replace the old Snake in the game completely, because old Snake's story is surely going to be dramatic and sad. I just want to play as a young Snake. The only way is doing that, well hopefully, is in these flashbacks. Shadow Moses in HD, omg... I just can't get it out my mind. That's just fricken amazing as hell. We need HD video of this stat! Anyways, yeah, Kojima is going to blow our minds. He will pull a fast one, and we won't see what's coming. It will be interesting. Maybe, also, old Snake is going to Shadow Moses in the helicopter at the end? Maybe not, I don't know.
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post May 3 2008, 01:46 AM
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Yea, before I made this I didn't do much research with the Snake mask but I'm now 99.9% sure that there won't be a young Snake mask. For one, Kojima said Young Snake is a very important part of MGS4's storyline, apparently along with Shadow Moses.

As for how I like the games?

Favorite: MGS1
Tied: MGS2 and MGS3

Can't decide between the last two, but I'm pretty sure MGS4 will beat all three games. As long as it brings back Shadow Moses in some form.


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post May 3 2008, 07:33 PM
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http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9805/clipboard01sh3.jpg i don't think he has an eyepatch

but that's certainly not a gun in MGS1 ...i don't think


here's the HD version
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33545.html?type=flv

their download link for WMV isn't working, but here it is to watch it on the PS3 tongue.gif
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Might be the FAMAS? But it's very hard to tell which gun it is


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post May 3 2008, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(andrzej @ May 3 2008, 02:33 PM) *

Oh wow. I did not notice that. ohmy.gif I could have swore that he had an eye patch.
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post May 4 2008, 03:00 AM
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yeah, no eyepatch, so it is in the past before the solid eye

QUOTE(Fox @ May 3 2008, 12:58 PM) *

Might be the FAMAS? But it's very hard to tell which gun it is

they don't look like that ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAMAS_(rifle)


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post May 4 2008, 03:50 PM
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If you looked at the first trailer that showed Young Snake, you'll notice that he didn't have an eye patch either and that wasn't in the past. It was in the Middle East.


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post May 4 2008, 10:42 PM
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yeah, but that could have just been a mask

in the 15 minute demo with Kojima, he played that same area with the statues, and it was old snake, no younger looking snake to be found tongue.gif


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post May 5 2008, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(andrzej @ May 4 2008, 10:42 PM) *

yeah, but that could have just been a mask

in the 15 minute demo with Kojima, he played that same area with the statues, and it was old snake, no younger looking snake to be found tongue.gif


If that was the mask, if the mask exists, then the time in Shadow Moses could have been a mask too (considering that the first trailer with Young Snake showed no solid eye patch system then).

Also consider this: What we saw in the trailer of MGS4 with Shadow Moses now actually appears to be in the future (probably during MGS4's time) - there's no guards or anything elsewhere and the entire surface is covered with snow.


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post May 5 2008, 01:47 AM
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Snake walking along a path that (magically) connects to a place he's been before is very dream like. I think its part of MGS4, like a playable flashback that reveals information.

I LOVE the atmosphere. Creepy as hell.


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post May 5 2008, 09:28 PM
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I believe the gun that Snake is carrying in that video is an XM8.

Also, there's apparently been a leaked picture going around on the nets that confirms something big so watch out for that - do NOT look, it's a major spoiler and something I didn't want to know.

If you do see it, I just think you'll be doing a disservice to yourself because the story of an MGS game is something special and needs to be kept in secret until one gets to play it.

That's why I'm probably not going to be looking at anymore MGS4 related story videos/pictures until I play the game for myself - hopefully it'll just be gameplay videos.


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post May 5 2008, 09:32 PM
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Delusive, I almost read that big spoiler right there. I stopped at picture. I know there's a picture, I haven't seen it. I'm trying to avoid it. Ah, I think I'm bailing out of this thread now. It's getting too spoilery. Media blackout for me begins now!
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post May 5 2008, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(Snake @ May 5 2008, 09:32 PM) *

Delusive, I almost read that big spoiler right there. I stopped at picture. I know there's a picture, I haven't seen it. I'm trying to avoid it. Ah, I think I'm bailing out of this thread now. It's getting too spoilery. Media blackout for me begins now!


Read it? I hope I didn't hint at it - if I did, I'm going to reword my post so I can be as vague as possible with my warning.

This is the first game in which I'm going to do a media blackout of sorts to keep in the dark. I miss the days where I'd be totally surprised by a game (that's back when I didn't use the internet).


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post May 5 2008, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(Delusive @ May 5 2008, 04:34 PM) *

Read it? I hope I didn't hint at it - if I did, I'm going to reword my post so I can be as vague as possible with my warning.

This is the first game in which I'm going to do a media blackout of sorts to keep in the dark. I miss the days where I'd be totally surprised by a game (that's back when I didn't use the internet).

I don't know if you hinted at it or not, I didn't read your whole post. I didn't know if you put who was in the picture or what was in the picture. Yeah, andrzej and I were talking about that recently. About back whenever we didn't have the internet. When we only relied on magazines and the front covers of games. Those were the days. That was when I would pop a game in the console and be amazed. Now, the internet is full of spoilers and videos. You get numb to a game before you even play it.
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post May 6 2008, 12:14 AM
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Ok, my post was intended as a warning for that picture, if I actually were going to announce what or who was in the picture, then I'd have major spoiler warnings around my post.


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