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post Jun 12 2008, 05:01 AM
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Ahem...I want all of the FF games. Because I am interested in all of them. And I am pissed that they keep doing spin offs because I am interested in those because FF mainline games are not coming out like they used to. I used to be able to finish a game...and then play the next one within a year after I finish....the fact that it is taking them years to complete a game now is rediculous.


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post Jun 12 2008, 05:08 AM
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FF games take years when they swap over generations. 13 is taking longer than normal because its on a new console. Plus, EVERY company is taking years to make EVERY game this generation, its hardly just SE.

12 took forever because of the director.

If you want to buy the main FFs and still have other RPGs you can play in the meantime, its still much better to go with the PS3. Its got Versus and its getting The Last Remnant. The 360's just got heaps of in-between games.

This has kind of been my point. SE putting the in-between games on the 360 is moronic, because they DEPEND on the JRPG fanbase to buy them, and that fanbase is (or at least should be) sticking to the PS3.


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post Jun 12 2008, 07:15 AM
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The area in between FFIX and FFX wasnt that long...


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post Jun 12 2008, 07:46 AM
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They had different teams working on them. IX wasn't even going to be part of the main series for a while, that was a late decision. I believe IX and X started development at the same time.


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post Jun 12 2008, 11:03 AM
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Oh REALLY!? Do you have a source?


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post Jun 12 2008, 01:37 PM
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Wikipedia says Final Fantas X took 2 years to make, which was close to FFIX because IX was delayed to avoid DQVII's release.

Anyway, the generation we're currently in is practically notorious for lengthy game development.


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post Jun 13 2008, 04:18 AM
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Wikipedia is no source fool tongue.gif

But eh....I still disagree with lengthy production times. Things could be done a bit faster...


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post Jun 13 2008, 04:19 AM
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MGS4 took 4 years to make...And it was well worth the wait. WELL WORTH THE WAIT!!!


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post Jun 13 2008, 04:20 AM
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Well....they should have done it faster....


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post Jun 13 2008, 05:22 AM
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QUOTE(Burrgle @ Jun 13 2008, 04:20 AM) *

Well....they should have done it faster....


Now that it's out, I really don't care how long it took.

Actually, if Kojima needed it, I wouldn't be against him using more time. I like games being the best they can be and if that requires more time, then let there be more time. I hate rushed games.

Mass Effect is a good example. If that game had much more time, then I feel that it could have been that much better. Imagine the game with almost no slowdown, no glitches of any kind (except for the rare few), and with detailed side missions. That's the Achilles heel of Bioware - their games are almost always a technical mess whereas Kojima demands perfection.


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post Jun 13 2008, 06:32 AM
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QUOTE(Burrgle @ Jun 13 2008, 02:20 PM) *

Well....they should have done it faster....


Well... maybe we're just going to have to put up with it. wink.gif They can't just "do it faster". Though now they've switched generations, the development process will be shorter. The engines are already built, so now they can start developing the game at the start. It'll be faster, but not as fast as previous generations.


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post Jun 20 2008, 03:46 AM
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Kojima wanted to release MGS4 a year ago, in 07. I'm glad he didn't, because the final product is amazing.

If every game that took 4 years to release, was as awesome as MGS4, I'd be all for it.

Unfortunately, you have companies like EA, pumping out one game per year, and quality suffers for it.

I'd rather SE take it's time with FF13 so we have a good game, instead of a shit fest. I'm not worried though, FF12 was good.


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post Jun 20 2008, 03:49 AM
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^Have you seen the new FFXIII news? Its in the Final Fantasy XIII section of the forum. Confirmed for E3, SE Event and a big appearance at TGS. They're talking about release dates as well, and the Versus team is helping make XIII. There's a rumour the game will release in Japan this December. ohmy.gif


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post Jun 20 2008, 05:08 AM
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QUOTE(Stealth @ Jun 20 2008, 03:46 AM) *

Kojima wanted to release MGS4 a year ago, in 07. I'm glad he didn't, because the final product is amazing.


Yea, and Payton mentioned that Kojima HATED to displease and disappoint his fans because of this but I guess it had to be done. And I am glad it was.

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If every game that took 4 years to release, was as awesome as MGS4, I'd be all for it.


Really. I have a hard time believing there will be a game that topples MGS4 in this gen, perhaps ever (I wasn't the only one with this sentiment, my friend actually brought it up and I agreed and my friend doesn't even own a PS3). It's that good right now. I'm disappointed in any new game that I see now because I know what could have possibly been if the same love and devotion went into it that Kojima put into MGS4.

My friend has basically said that Halo 3 has nothing on MGS4 (and he loves Halo 3's multiplayer) - he even was so wowed at this one part in a certain act that goes against the conventional gameplay of MGS4 and delves into another type of gameplay in other games and my friend said that that part beat out his favorite type of games that specialized in that certain type of gameplay.

My same friend said one of his friends was against PS3. After playing this? Not anymore. Needless to say, he is now getting a PS3.

I love the game. It's my favorite game ever. Seriously. shok.gif


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post Jun 20 2008, 05:42 AM
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^Like OMG but teh FfxIII is going to PWN teh MGS4 LOL no doubt LOLOLOL!!!!1!?

Stop making me jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to go play FFXII again. >___<


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post Jun 20 2008, 04:17 PM
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Really. I have a hard time believing there will be a game that topples MGS4 in this gen, perhaps ever


MGS4 is a really good game, but not without its flaws. It should be surpassed by another game before this console cycle is over.

If not, then it will certainly be surpassed by another game in the next generation of consoles.


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post Jun 20 2008, 06:02 PM
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I havent read the previous posts, but The Last Remnant is delayed for PS3 because it is using the Unreal Engine. So developement for PS3 is slower.


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post Jun 20 2008, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(LoneWolf @ Jun 20 2008, 05:42 AM) *

^Like OMG but teh FfxIII is going to PWN teh MGS4 LOL no doubt LOLOLOL!!!!1!?

Stop making me jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to go play FFXII again. >___<


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I'm sorry Lone. I will no longer mention the awesome wintastic game that is MGS4 (well, after I finish this discussion with JS.

QUOTE(joesmith123 @ Jun 20 2008, 04:17 PM) *

MGS4 is a really good game, but not without its flaws. It should be surpassed by another game before this console cycle is over.

If not, then it will certainly be surpassed by another game in the next generation of consoles.


There's no doubt it'll be passed technologically, but as far as how well-designed the game is - it's the best and most complete game I have ever had the pleasure of playing. Right now, for me, it's an unsurpassed art of gaming mastery.

Sure, it definitely has its flaws. Of course if we were to point out MGS4's flaws, then we may as well point out flaws in gaming technology as a whole. MGS4 has flaws with its AI system, mainly - and the "traps" they sometimes try to put off - what game doesn't have any flaw with its AI, though? AI is the technology that, I think, we have the most trouble with in gaming.

And another point on MGS4's traps the AI "set." They are the most blatant and obvious looking traps I have ever seen. I guess you couldn't have it all - the AI is definitely not the smartest around.

There is ALSO the occasional graphical glitch that can make the graphics stand out a bit.

I'm not blind to MGS4's flaws, but that's not what I was talking about - looking at the whole package, MGS4's whole is much greater than its parts. Everything works together so perfectly. It's the first game I will actually give a 10/10 to. It's the only game so far that deserves it (for me).


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post Jun 21 2008, 05:11 AM
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You can keep talking about its wintasticalness Delusive, I don't want to ruin the fun. >__<

QUOTE(steiner @ Jun 21 2008, 04:02 AM) *

I havent read the previous posts, but The Last Remnant is delayed for PS3 because it is using the Unreal Engine. So developement for PS3 is slower.


Yep, they said the Unreal Engine wasn't working properly for the PS3 until Unreal Tournament was released (when every development kit magically fixed itself?).

It should mean the PS3 version won't be too far behind. Hopefully the Star Ocean 4 (and possibly IU) ports aren't too far behind.


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post Jun 21 2008, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE(LoneWolf @ Jun 21 2008, 05:11 AM) *

You can keep talking about its wintasticalness Delusive, I don't want to ruin the fun. >__<


I will, but in the proper thread.

MGS4 was just brought up because of how long it takes to make games and what can be accomplished when a game is given the time it needs.



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