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the x reaper
do you think that hookers should be banned?i say yes as thay a)might have those infections from other guys/girls and b)they steal you clothes etc
BohemianAndy
Seeing as its the oldest profession in the world, I don't see it being "banned" anytime soon, per se.

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a)might have those infections from other guys/girls


Even though they get medical checks every once in a while, it is a possibility.

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b)they steal you clothes etc


If you're a careless person, thats possible too.
Resurrection
Well, it is illegal throughout most of the United States. Is that what you mean by "banned"? In any case, I do not think that prostitution should be allowed.
rainbowbrat
It is legal in vegas, and as long as they stay cleaned and checked, i do not see a problem with it. If someone wants to spend money to have sex, that is their prerogative.

Afterall, sex pays. xD

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b)they steal you clothes etc


Where the hell did you come up with that? You're 12, how would you know if they steal your clothes?

but anyway...if they steal your clothes, you shoulda kept a better eye on them. But anyone could steal your clothes...

wtf....clothes....that just seems rather random? blink.gif
Saiyuki
Personally, i do not like the idea of prostitution.

However, as was previously stated, if they keep themselves checked, ie make sure not to get or transmit std, and don't steal or whatever then technically it should be okay.

But to tell you the truth, i really posted because you put up a really weak argument. What's already posted has combated against your reason's already. I think the bigger question is if you think it's morally right or not.
rainbowbrat
even morally, it's still the individuals prerogative....and I personally believe that it is their choice, not anyone elses.

Would I do it? Nah...not my cup of tea! But to each his own!!

But I will agree, it's a weak argument.
Fox
Why is it legal for two consenting adults to have sex, but illegal when money is involved? Does that mean if a wife says she'll noly have sex with her husband if he gives her fifty pounds to go shopping with is that prostitution? The whole idea of it being outlawed is ridiculous.

Rainbowbrat: you're idea is not a weak argument at all. Sex is not illegal, in fact it is necessary, so why is paying for it illegal? Sex is a part of life that happens to be pleasurable. It is a natural human activity.

At the moment girls are sold as sex slaves and pusahed into an illegal profession against their will, and of course that should be outlawed. But an adult who enjoys sex and wants to make some money from doing what she loves? Why not? And there are plenty of people who want to pay for sex.

I think it might be in texas...I'm not sure ezxactly where, but I saw a documentary about one place in the states where prostitution was legal. THey had specific houses where prostitutes were safe, where checking for disease regularly is a term of their employment and you had to have been cleared of STDs before you could be a client there as well. Isn't that a whole lot better than getting infected or risking your life being a prostitute down back alleys trying to avoid the cops?

EDIT: Ah, legal in Vegas. THere ya go, thanks Rainbowbrat.


In my opinion making prostitution illegal is one of the most pathetic pieces of legislation ever. I can understand why drugs are banned and even why guns and violent games/films are banned. But prostitution is illegal for a single reason: it is taught in certain culturesd to be "morally wrong". Maybe we should make the act of paying for a plumbers services illegal as well for all the damn sense is makes.
rainbowbrat
LOL, I didn't say MY arguement was weak...I meant the way X started the arguement was xD

But I agree with you too!

and you had me rollin:

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Does that mean if a wife says she'll noly have sex with her husband if he gives her fifty pounds to go shopping with is that prostitution?


*FOCL*

I tease my hubby about that.. xD
Fox
^ Aaaaaah that makes sense. Just the way you phrased it made me misunderstand.

And you shouldn't tease him! You'll be locked away! XP
rainbowbrat
LMFAO

That took me a second to catch....*FOCL*

And I am good for misleading posts, I usually edit a post like 3 times...LOL..my thoughts are usually scattered, so my posts come out as such xD
Simon 89
QUOTE(the x reaper @ Dec 24 2007, 03:23 PM) *

a)might have those infections from other guys/girls


Surprisingly enough, most prostitutes are clean. They have regular checks, etc.

QUOTE(the x reaper @ Dec 24 2007, 03:23 PM) *

b)they steal you clothes etc


Never heard of that one. They are just after your cash, LOL

As for what I think, there is no problem with it as it is natural as Fox rightfully stated. I personally, would just try that little bit harder to bed someone. Why pay when you can get it for FREE with just a little bit of effort. Well its their choice anyway, LOL smile.gif
Binibini
I don't like the idea of prostitution but if a dirty old man/woman wants it that badly and sees it as the only means to getting some.. How can you possibly deny them that? xD
Chrono
It's already illegal. Cops do arrest them, aren't they?
JudasOne
While I would never employ this means to get laid I do think that the people who do chose to pay for it or get paid for it are within their personal right to do so.

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Why is it legal for two consenting adults to have sex, but illegal when money is involved?


Actually its not legal in most states in the US to have premarital sex or even for married couples to perform oral sex and other acts together. Sad but true. Here's a link to some extreme examples:

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fun23.htm
rainbowbrat
QUOTE(Chrono @ Dec 26 2007, 09:47 PM) *

It's already illegal. Cops do arrest them, aren't they?


It is, and they do...in SOME states..as already been stated.

@ Judas ~ That's funny...I thought it was just sodomy that was illegal! xD
Fox
"Actually its not legal in most states in the US to have premarital sex"

Wow. THAT sickens me. Bear in mind the United States is not, as George Bush put it "one nation under God", which is the only place that law could concievably come from. The US was founded as a secular nation so that religion would not affect politics.

I'm assuming thats a poorly ENFORCED law...
rainbowbrat
very poorly enforced...it seems like religion is a huge factor in politics...
JudasOne
^yah so much for seperation of church and state huh?
Dawn
Here is also considered illegal, but it is so common that I think nobody cares. And prostitutes houses are very common (even in my hometown there must be like half a dozen).

Not my option either, but I don't anything against this as well.
the x reaper
QUOTE(rainbowbrat @ Dec 24 2007, 04:13 PM) *

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b)they steal you clothes etc

Where the hell did you come up with that? You're 12, how would you know if they steal your clothes?

i watch shows about urban legends called urban legends revealed(sorry if i spelt it wrong)and there are some legends about hookers taking peoples clothes and even organs
rainbowbrat
QUOTE(JudasOne @ Dec 28 2007, 09:26 PM) *

^yah so much for seperation of church and state huh?


Exactly....I think they forgot about that.

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i watch shows about urban legends called urban legends revealed(sorry if i spelt it wrong)and there are some legends about hookers taking peoples clothes and even organs



OMG...urban LEGENDS...not true stories.

You need to watch less TV and do more research...something your parents should have taught you already: Not everything on TV is real. wink.gif
Dawn
Do some research. LOL, that really cracked me up.

He is too young for that anyway, I think
rainbowbrat
If he can make posts like that and say stuff like that....he is not to young.

Old enough to ask, old enough to learn.

the x reaper
i do research on a site called snopes.com
Paka
Want to clairify, but actually prostitution is not legal in Vegas (or anywhere in Clark County)... the nearest legal brothels to Vegas are in Pahrump, in neighboring Nye County. We've actually stopped in one, the Chicken Ranch... not to partake of the services, lol, but just to check it out. Actually chatted with the madam and got a few souvenirs for friends. Though, I wouldn't really care if my husband used the services of a legal, safe prostitute honestly; what would bother me is the cost-- very expensive from what I understand!

I definitely think prostitution should be legal, though it is not a career I'd ever choose for myself, haha. Keep it safe-- for both the girls and the customers-- as possible, allow it to be taxed, and do away with trying to control decisions folks make regarding their own bodies. Arguments against it are usually stated under the guise of crime prevention, protecting children, and such, but if you really dig they generally boil down to control of other peoples' bodies because of the morals of the ones imposing the laws. If you don't agree with it, great, but don't try to make that decision for other people. It is sort of like how a couple of the Gulf coast states-- I think Mississippi and Alabama-- banned the sale sex toys saying, I believe, that they promote violence against women, but everyone knows that is hogwash (and that it is lawmakers trying to impose their beliefs on others and control women's bodies) to the point that the vice squads don't even bother to enforce the law sometimes from what I've read.
gf1v3
THe major problem with legalisaion of Prostitution is the fact, that it will make access to other crimal activities more accessable to the larger public.

It is not a hidden fact that drug use goes hand in hand with prostitution and the legalisation of "the worlrds oldest trade" will then give a larger sector of society access to this...

This is only one thing that I can think of ,off the bat but I am sure I can think of a whole lot more, besides making it a legitamate trade that pays, I am sure that if yr daughter comes home and tells u her new job is as a Pros. it will make you, OH so proud ROFL....

IMHO
Gf1v3
N2Y
QUOTE(the x reaper @ Dec 24 2007, 04:23 PM) *

do you think that hookers should be banned?

No. Look at it this way: prostitutes exist. End of story. You can either make them illegal, putting them on the streets and making a real mess, which bring you to your a) and the shocking cool.gif.

Or you legalize them, put them in an area in the city, and none of those problems arise.

Then of course the problem of pimps arise again, but then again, those problems are there nonetheless.

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a)might have those infections from other guys/girls

Wear condoms. That's the whole point of it. I live in Amsterdam (no we dont go to prostitutes, just tourists) and whenever they make a documentary of this, the prostitutes always say they demand men wearing condoms.

No woman wants AIDS or other infections. Neither do prostitutes.

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b)they steal you clothes etc

Dont know where youre from, but oh well... If you cant think of any other argument to construct your point, be my guest.

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THe major problem with legalisaion of Prostitution is the fact, that it will make access to other crimal activities more accessable to the larger public.

Not necessarily, honestly. Compare criminal activities in Amsterdam and New York, and you tell me who comes out on top. In percentages of course, making it a fair comparison.

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This is only one thing that I can think of ,off the bat but I am sure I can think of a whole lot more, besides making it a legitamate trade that pays, I am sure that if yr daughter comes home and tells u her new job is as a Pros. it will make you, OH so proud ROFL....

Legalizing prostitutes does not make it a well-respected job. No average girl wants to end up as a prostitute. Some do, and let them be. But most girls dont. Countries where its legal are no exception whatsoever.
joesmith123
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Wear condoms. That's the whole point of it. I live in Amsterdam (no we dont go to prostitutes, just tourists) and whenever they make a documentary of this, the prostitutes always say they demand men wearing condoms.

No woman wants AIDS or other infections. Neither do prostitutes.


Condoms are only 80% effective though. So, all it takes is for the condom to fail with the wrong guy and that prostitute has HIV.


On a side note I don't understand how guys can actually enjoy having sex with a woman that has had more pipe laid in her than a skyscraper. Not to mention it has to be like throwing a hotdog down a hallway.
Fox
^ Well, sex is fun. And not everybody can get it free with their preferred woman. Sorta like if you can't cook, you eat at a resturant.
joesmith123
^Yeah but would you eat the food in the restaurant if you knew for a fact that an unknown number of people had already taken a bite out of the food you were about it eat.
Dawn
Have you heard about buffets? biggrin.gif
joesmith123
^Yes, but the food taken at a buffet has never been tasted by anyone else. Unless Spanish buffets are different. biggrin.gif
Dawn
No, it was supposed to be a joke biggrin.gif.

Actually I see your point, I'm not into that as well, and pretty much for the same reasons. But sometimes I can actually understand it
Fox
I can totally understand it, especially from people who find it difficult to find someone to have sex with just in normal ways. I mean, you give a starving person a half-eaten steak and they arn't gonna complain are they?
Dawn
That's why I said I understand it biggrin.gif
Resurrection
But it's not like sex is necessary for the maintenance of life...food is, on the other hand.
Fox
But sex is a natural instinct, just like eating. You can desperatly want something without needing it. That on its own doesn't make ti RIGHT, but surely it makes it understandbale?
joesmith123
^And those people who are like 500 pounds disgust me, just like people who go to prostitutes disgust me.
Fox
I see. Well its only natural to think badly of people who choose to do something that doesn't hurt anyone else but people still consider "wrong".

I am therefore disgusted by people who visit the cinema in their spare time.
rainbowbrat
LOL Fox xD <3

@ Resurrection...

Sex is necessary for life! Must reproduce! *dies* JK

Although on a serious note....some people seriously believe that sex IS necessary (sex addicts tongue.gif )....I don't think it is, but it is diffenantly something I would not want to stop doing!
Fox
I think that says it all really. Sex is a pleasurable experience. People don't pay to stick themselves somewhere thats been around the town, they pay for a pleasurable experience.

I mean, is there anything wrong with a legitamate massage? And yet over the course of a lifetime you KNOW where the hands have been! And probably some places they havn't. Sex is only "unsanitary for later consumers" if people dont use protection and dont wash afterwards.
CREA
Hm... I think that it should'nt be legal, but prostitutes or whatever should get arrested for it (probably not making sense, but...)

I mean, some people can't live any other way, they don't know how to.
rainbowbrat
why should they be arrested for pleasuring others as well as themselves?

Why is it really anybody elses business what these people are doing?

They are not harming anyone (the clean ones anyway), and it's not like they are going door to door soliciting their bodies.
Dawn
Then pornstars would have to be arrested for that, and then many people would be unhappy 'cause of that
joesmith123
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why should they be arrested for pleasuring others as well as themselves?

Why is it really anybody elses business what these people are doing?

They are not harming anyone (the clean ones anyway), and it's not like they are going door to door soliciting their bodies.


The prostitutes aren't being pleased, they are in it solely for the money. It's business for them nothing more.

They should be arrested because they are spreading disease, and because prostitution is always linked with other criminal outfits.

It's other people's business because of the public health concerns and the fact that prostitution is a racket of organized crime, especially the Russian Mafia.

The prostitutes themselves are often the ones being harmed. Many are teenage runaways being forced into it by pimps and many others are victims of the Russian mafia who bring in naive girls from Russia and other old Soviet states and then force them into prostitution once they reach the west.

Sorry to burst your idealistic bubble, but prostitution is a filthy business with numerous criminal links that is degrading to women and only helps line the pockets of criminals while spreading disease to the general public.
Fox
Your issues are with human trafficking and proper protection then rather than the act itself. And prostitution is only something supplied by organized crime BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL. Since Prohibition was repealed 70 years ago the mafia hasn't done much booze smuggling. Why? Because it is regulated, there is no demand.

Your facts are wrong. SOME disease is spread, but in areas of regulated prostitution these figures are vastly diminished. Again, regulation would help with human trafficking as people wouldn't need to find illegal whores if there was a legal brother around the corner. There would be no demand for illegal, off the street hookers. A vastly vastly diminshed demand at least.

The case for legalizing drugs is very arguable in both ways because health concerns cannot be easily regulated with drugs, but prostitution is not as dangerous as drugs - providing proper precautions are met. This is what legalization and regulation does.

Prostitution is a dangerous profession for the sole reason that it is illegal.
rainbowbrat
Thank you Fox!

I went to reply last night, but decided I was to drunk and it prolly wouldn't be understandable xD

But that was around the same thing I was gonna say!

And Ask: @ JS~ Where do you get your info???
BohemianAndy
QUOTE(rainbowbrat @ Mar 2 2008, 06:30 AM) *

And Ask: @ JS~ Where do you get your info???


I know that you are aiming that at JS, but I'll throw in some background to his info that adds credence. There have been numerous stories and news of underage prostitution. I've seen the film Lilja-4-Ever, which is a film based on the true prostitution of a girl called Lilja who lived in Russia. It showed the plight of young people who are tricked and forced into prostitution and the disgusting nature and procedures of the "profession".

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Many are teenage runaways being forced into it by pimps and many others are victims of the Russian mafia who bring in naive girls from Russia and other old Soviet states and then force them into prostitution once they reach the west.


Very true. They are being trafficked into countries such as Canada as we speak - it's an everyday thing, unfortunately. Drugs go hand in hand with the prostitution industry and trafficking business.
joesmith123
@RB: I got my information from various sources over the years. I've seen different documentaries and other news stories on t.v. about it. My dad's a cop so he's told me about it a bit as well.

It's pretty common knowledge, and if you do a little google searching I'm sure a plethora of information will be at your finger tips.
Fox
And yet these trafficking problems are only a problem because of the illegal and unregulated nature of the business. Even when you throw the idea that you should be able to do what you want provided it doesn't hurt anyone else argument out the window, froma practical standpoint legalizing prositution is the way to go!

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