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wchoco32
Here's hoping for another video game with the FFXII characters. I'm not even halfway through Revenant Wings but enjoying it so much that I've started a whole new quest in the original FFXII. It is good to know there is, at least, another Ivalice game (Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift) coming out soon but let me just on record as saying: "More!"
steiner
Final Fantasy Tactics on PSP and Playstation as well!

Great game.

Shame I cant play Renevant Wings or Tactics A2.
Fox
I'm very very gradually getting thriugh RW. I'll be playing it alot in the summer when I have less access to my PS3 and the likes.

I also seriously love tactics for PSP, but I havnt got around to finishing it and its been months since I played, so I might have to start it again!
Burrgle
FFT is definatly an experience. Personally....I would not want another FFXII unless it had a decent story (at least what I would call a decent story, lets not get angry at me calling FFXII bad biggrin.gif). But I would want another FFXII if it was a little bit more involved with character developement. I would like to maybe see a prequel about the war.

I do kind of like FFXII Rev Wings. But.....the battle system is tearing my eyes away from me. Its so much micro management and its hard to select a seperate character. But it is very good for a DS spin off. I am enjoying it...just wish the story was a little better. Vann is still is stupidly positive self....nobody is really changing...everyone has such a firm sense of themselves! I need inner turmoils in each character!! And for the record...I really hate Lyudd. I hope he gets shot soon in the game. Hes such a little bitch about everything.

But another FFXII....I think that they could make it good if they wanted...but I do not think that they will if they decide to make one. While FFXII(and RW) are very good games...definatly entertaining, I dont consider them very worthy of the name FF.
N2Y
Here's Hoping for Another Main FF Title... No more spinoffs please... unless it's a REALLY good one for FFVIII. xD
Burrgle
I could go for some extra FFVIII airtime. What I would really want to see though....is something like Adventures of the Four swords...but for Vivi and all of his Children! (Goooooo FFIX sequel!!!)
steiner
...so long as they dont do Naruto voice for Zidane, and so long as they refer to Steiner as God...Im in. tongue.gif
joesmith123
I hope they stop all the FFXII nonesense and focus all their attention to making FFXIII redeem the franchise after the disappointment that was FFXII.
steiner
^Well you're a republican who doesnt even like FFIX, so its not as if your opinion counts.
Burrgle
QUOTE(steiner @ May 30 2008, 08:11 PM) *

^Well you're a republican who doesnt even like FFIX, so its not as if your opinion counts.


Ouch...but what does that have to do with anything?

And I didnt know Joesmith didn't like FFXII....he seemed to be the person who would adore that kind of game. But I guess I was wrong...if you do not mind me asking Joe....what makes you hate FFXII so?
steiner
QUOTE(Burrgle @ May 30 2008, 10:00 PM) *

QUOTE(steiner @ May 30 2008, 08:11 PM) *

^Well you're a republican who doesnt even like FFIX, so its not as if your opinion counts.


Ouch...but what does that have to do with anything?

Oh yeah, and he likes George Bush.

The hate list continues.
Burrgle
So..its perfectly legal for him to like George Bush....a lot of the country does...why do you think he got reelected? He is personally not my cup of tea. But this is not a thread for discussing politics....its simply adressing FFXII spinoff possibilities. So stop spamming fool! Keep to the topic. And dont be a hater tongue.gif
steiner
No. George Bush fucking sucks. And Joe Smith is a moron who should jump off a cliff before he embarrases himself and his own pathetic, moronic country even further. Bloody tosser. dry.gif
joesmith123
This thread has become about my favorite of all topics...me. So lets begin.

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Well you're a republican who doesnt even like FFIX, so its not as if your opinion counts.


It's because I am a republican who thinks FFIX is for queer Sri Lankans that my opinion counts.

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Ouch...but what does that have to do with anything?

And I didnt know Joesmith didn't like FFXII....he seemed to be the person who would adore that kind of game. But I guess I was wrong...if you do not mind me asking Joe....what makes you hate FFXII so?


It has nothing to with anything...but steiner is a liberal and coherent points are not the strong suit of liberals such as him.

I certainly did not adore FFXII, for me it was a huge let down. My main problem was with the story since for me that is the driving point behind putting 70+ hours into any RPG. I thought the stories and characters were under developed, with a bare minimum of interaction between them. It didn't seem to me to be a whole hell of a lot between some of these characters to really bind them as they took on an empire. The lack of any true main character left the story without some focus, as we just got snippets about this character and then about that character. I felt the game started out strongly, but once you left Rabanastre it all went down hill from there. I finished the game and still felt like I knew so little about each character and about the world.

I hated how the espers worked and thought they were completely useless. The fact that all the monster hunting side quests did not give you any exp. was idiotic to me as if it did give exp. then it would have been a fantastic alternative to grinding. These are more minor points than the story. I had more complaints but it has been a long time since I played the game and my memory isn't working so well at the moment.

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Oh yeah, and he likes George Bush.

The hate list continues.


I think you're going to feel empty inside when November of 2008 rolls around and you no longer have Bush to hate on.

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No. George Bush fucking sucks. And Joe Smith is a moron who should jump off a cliff before he embarrases himself and his own pathetic, moronic country even further. Bloody tosser.


FFIX sucks, Sri Lanka sucks, liberals suck....George Bush just had a very difficult presidency.

Well America is no beacon of freedom, justice, and democracy like Sri Lanka. But we do our best to live up to your example. Just wait for the Olympic games in Beijing, and the U.S. will once again dominate as always.

Also, everyone knows that my intellect far surpasses yours steiner. How you can even enjoy FFIX shows how infantile your mind can be, while I enjoy the superb FFX which attests to my ability to understand more complex and mature plots.
Burrgle
Coming from a neutral party, you both (stiener and joesmith) should lay off eachother. You are just stupidly attacking eachother for a reason that is nobody elses bussiness...especially not in a thread about FFXII. If you guys are going to argue...why not take it to a PM?

And as for my opinion....FFIX did not suck...I am sure Sri Lanka doesnt suck...and I am liberal......You both are just being blatently offensive with no purpose. Live and let live.

As for JoeSmiths opinion of FFXII...finally! Someone agrees with me. People keep telling me that maybe I played through too fast...but you Joesmith have restored me to my original opinion!
steiner
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It's because I am a republican who thinks FFIX is for queer Sri Lankans that my opinion counts.

Great argument there... dry.gif

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It has nothing to with anything...but steiner is a liberal and coherent points are not the strong suit of liberals such as him.

Oh, you're one to talk you conservative bastard. See your above quote.

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certainly did not adore FFXII, for me it was a huge let down. My main problem was with the story since for me that is the driving point behind putting 70+ hours into any RPG. I thought the stories and characters were under developed, with a bare minimum of interaction between them. It didn't seem to me to be a whole hell of a lot between some of these characters to really bind them as they took on an empire. The lack of any true main character left the story without some focus, as we just got snippets about this character and then about that character. I felt the game started out strongly, but once you left Rabanastre it all went down hill from there. I finished the game and still felt like I knew so little about each character and about the world.

The character developement was subtle. And you, being the typically narrow minded simpleton, blundering into business that isnt yours (like George Bush in Iraq), obviously didnt get it. Shame really. If both you and George had been a bit more perceptive, the world would be a better place. wink.gif

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I think you're going to feel empty inside when November of 2008 rolls around and you no longer have Bush to hate on.

Well, at least I'll still have you. tongue.gif

And those classic jokes about him will never die. Then again, if he fixes those ballet boxes and changes the constitution he could be in for a third term.

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FFIX sucks, Sri Lanka sucks, liberals suck....George Bush just had a very difficult presidency

No. Just no.

Shut up. What makes your opinion so great. Did God tell you that what you said was true? Thats what George Bush said, if I remember correctly. Very fun guy.

Oops, I mean very fundamentalist guy.

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Well America is no beacon of freedom, justice, and democracy like Sri Lanka. But we do our best to live up to your example. Just wait for the Olympic games in Beijing, and the U.S. will once again dominate as always.

At least I dont have some deluded self pride and patriotism for my country. Sri Lanka is run by morons, so too is America at the moment. In the end, we're all the same.

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Also, everyone knows that my intellect far surpasses yours steiner. How you can even enjoy FFIX shows how infantile your mind can be, while I enjoy the superb FFX which attests to my ability to understand more complex and mature plots.

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Are you serious? FFIX had a far more deep and philisophical plot. I dealt with issues surrounding the matters of life and death in a frank and fulfilling way. FFX was just some random (fun) game, with a script written by a two year old soap-opera addict. It had the total subtely of a bull in a china shop.

Lol, funny how I still loved it. But that was only because of Auron, a decent plot and a good battle system. Its still nothing in comparison to FFIX.

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Coming from a neutral party, you both (stiener and joesmith) should lay off eachother. You are just stupidly attacking eachother for a reason that is nobody elses

Dont worry, me and Joe are only playing. We have a long history of banter, but its all harmless.







*sharpens knife*


ph34r.gif

Thats what he thinks.
joesmith123
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At least I dont have some deluded self pride and patriotism for my country. Sri Lanka is run by morons, so too is America at the moment. In the end, we're all the same.


No, we are not all the same. U.S. > Rest of the world...Enough said.

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Are you serious? FFIX had a far more deep and philisophical plot. I dealt with issues surrounding the matters of life and death in a frank and fulfilling way. FFX was just some random (fun) game, with a script written by a two year old soap-opera addict. It had the total subtely of a bull in a china shop.


Please, FFX is a classic. FFIX is garbage. It's not even in the top 5 for best RPG of its console cycle, so I don't know why you love it so much. I guess it's that same kind of poor choice in games that makes you like FFXII and any crappy spinoff.

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Coming from a neutral party, you both (stiener and joesmith) should lay off eachother. You are just stupidly attacking eachother for a reason that is nobody elses


We are just screwing around.

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FFIX did not suck...I am sure Sri Lanka doesnt suck


Yes they do.

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As for JoeSmiths opinion of FFXII...finally! Someone agrees with me. People keep telling me that maybe I played through too fast...but you Joesmith have restored me to my original opinion!


I'm glad that I could help. FFXIII better be a masterpiece after SE failed so miserably with FFXII and then decided to make the next Dragon Quest game a DS title.
Burrgle
Ohhhh okay! I wasnt sure. Then screw eachother away! biggrin.gif Sorry for interupting....
steiner
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No, we are not all the same. U.S. > Rest of the world...Enough said.

Im suprised an ignorant American such as yourself even knew there was a world. Most fundamentalist American conservative idiots seem to think they're the big cheese, when in reality they are inisignificant idiots living in a country that is far from special and contains the highest percentage of retarded people in the history of civilization.


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Please, FFX is a classic. FFIX is garbage. It's not even in the top 5 for best RPG of its console cycle, so I don't know why you love it so much. I guess it's that same kind of poor choice in games that makes you like FFXII and any crappy spinoff.

Oh, hmmm, who made FFX? Oh wait, that was Sakaguchi. Do you know what Sakaguchi said about FFIX? He said it was the best game ever. What about Uematsu, composer of every final fantasy up to and including FFX? He too said that FFIX was the best game ever. FFIX is the true classic. FFX is for preteens who like cheesy dialogue and start crying whenever someone dies - no matter how poorly it was done.


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Yes they do.

Why do you think that? I bet you dont even know where Sri Lanka is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8SuCBHqXtQ

These are the kind of people who represent your country.



Chrono
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FFX is for preteens who like cheesy dialogue and start crying whenever someone dies - no matter how poorly it was done.


Not as cheesy as Zidane's lines.
Burrgle
Zidanes lines do not compare to the cheesyness of the laugh scene of FFX. FFX takes the cake in cheeseyness.
Marblefist
LOL at the "banter" IMO FFX>FF9 and FF12 was great, the only qualms i had with the game were with the pretty thin story. However, the battle system and all round gameplay, side quests, freedom etc. easily eclipses past titles, SE finally fixed up a ever more irritating formula. Granted, the plot definitely suffered as they moved from there comfort zone (syrupy, far-fetched, bordering pretentious drama, which i do happen to enjoy lol) and tried for something more mature in tone. But, over a year on and im still playing it, clocking just over 140 hours.

Burrgle
Hahaha...you just say that because of the voice actors in X. In FFIX...if you had voice actors...just imagine how entertaining the ATE's would have been! There were a lot of funny ones!!!
Marblefist
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you just say that because of the voice actors in X

That is definitely true to an extent, omd i wish tidus would just die!! lol FF9 voice actors would be jokes, i just have an image of them all sounding like cherubs lol Though all the past stories have been entertaining if almost annoying in there near mgs-standard of convulted storylines.
Burrgle
But VAs in FFIX would be fun eh!?
steiner
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LOL at the "banter" IMO FFX>FF9

BLASPHEMER!!! mad.gif

You better say something pretty damn quick before I strike you off Steinerism for good. I mean, I dont think its even fair to compare the two games. FFIX is in a league of its own, far above mere games like FFX.

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Not as cheesy as Zidane's lines.

Oh really? If you asked me to find cheesy lines from Tidus I could fill up this whole forum. I'd like to see you come up with even a few cheesy lines from Zidane.


I actually dont think the story in FFXII was that thin. I just think the sub plots were extremely well hidden that you could only garner what was going on by one line. FFX did the opposite and explicitly stated pretty much every little thing that was going on. I still prefered FFX's story, but if FFXII hadnt been quite so subtle and had developed its sub plots more, it would probably overtake FFX. 'Course nothing can even come close to FFIX. And thats the simple, unarguable truth. Case closed.


About VA's in FFIX. If they did them well, it would be Godly. But I got scared by the Naruto voice of Zidane in Dissidia. That just sucked.
Burrgle
Well...has anyone heard the VA for Naruto do Zidane yet? It could be good. I remember when people cringed at Lance Bass doing a few lines for Sephiroth in KH. But he did a very nice job and his voice suited Sephy quite well. -nod-
joesmith123
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Not as cheesy as Zidane's lines.


Nice. Another ally against steiner. A coalition of the willing as GW would say.

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Why do you think that? I bet you dont even know where Sri Lanka is.


It's an island off the coast of India.

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Zidanes lines do not compare to the cheesyness of the laugh scene of FFX.


The laughing scene was cheesy, but FFX as a whole is a superior game.
Burrgle
Hrm....it is still a difficult comparison. Because as a superior game....gameplay is obviously a factor. And FFX was far too simplistic. I mean common. Wolfs/Lizards (Tidus), Flying (Wakka), Armored (Auron/Kimari), Magic Enemies (Lulu), Machine Enemies (Rikku). This is of course with the exception of the boss battles which are more about endurance and saving your overdrives. So gameplay wise...I think that FFX loses. FFIX simply had a bit more to it...not a lot though. Because RPGs are not that fun to play....its the storys that hook you.

And story wise...as a whole..Id give my piece to FFX. Even though I feel like it is decently shorter. It still covers what seems to be more a full story....wait....what.....now I am thinking about FFIXs story and it seems to be better....oh so close!!! I am not sure! The music though! Sets the scene for the game!

As for the music! They are very close. I have to say that there are a lot of FFX tunes that I listen to even now kind of obsessivly. But there are plenty of tunes that are just poitlessly obnoxious (ex...that terrible battle theme and boss theme) As for everything crisp clean and beautiful! Even though FFIX has astounding music. And a bit more of a theme to its music. Still...when I listen to FFX..its so magical...more so than FFIX...no one can deny this!

What about the world?! FFIX had a nice play on what was the rennaisance mixed with fantasy! Very nice. And it was something that we have not seen before. But some of it was very unimaginitive. For instance...Ispens Castle. Who cares....its a castle! They really didnt create anything new and different. They altered it pleasently though! It was relaxing and realistic to people in temperate climates. FFX....now that was a world. While a liniar one at that. It still was quite amazingly beautiful. And because not many people live on the tropics. It was a lot more refreshing. They created Zanarkand...common...that takes some cake.

What about the minigames!? Cards vs. Biltzball....Biltzball is far more impressive as a minigame, but it takes too long. Cards is an ordinary video game but it doesnt destroy your life from making you wait for about 7 mins in the goalies pants after you make your first score so you do not have to play for the rest of the game! Did anybody else do this stratagy?

(for those who dont get the retoric, basically...score one goal above the other team. Then you get the ball from the opposers. Last, go to your side of the biltzstadium and wait in your goalies goal. They usually dont bother you. I basically just kinda work out a little bit while Im waiting for the half to end. Pushups mostly, but I have some well developing pecs biggrin.gif)

But now that I bring up that point. At no point in FFIX game did it ever facilitate getting in shape! AH! Damn you FFIX!

FFX wins foreva biggrin.gif
steiner
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Well...has anyone heard the VA for Naruto do Zidane yet? It could be good. I remember when people cringed at Lance Bass doing a few lines for Sephiroth in KH. But he did a very nice job and his voice suited Sephy quite well. -nod-

Whoever voiced Zidane in that really short section of the Japanese Dissidia trailer did it really poorly.

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It's an island off the coast of India.

Well done! At least you know how to use google. wink.gif

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The laughing scene was cheesy, but FFX as a whole is a superior game.

No. Just no.

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Hrm....it is still a difficult comparison. Because as a superior game....gameplay is obviously a factor. And FFX was far too simplistic. I mean common. Wolfs/Lizards (Tidus), Flying (Wakka), Armored (Auron/Kimari), Magic Enemies (Lulu), Machine Enemies (Rikku). This is of course with the exception of the boss battles which are more about endurance and saving your overdrives. So gameplay wise...I think that FFX loses. FFIX simply had a bit more to it...not a lot though. Because RPGs are not that fun to play....its the storys that hook you.

I disagree. I thought FFX's battle system was as good as IX's. Possibly better. Its in the story and character developement parts that FFIX blows FFX away in.

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Still...when I listen to FFX..its so magical...more so than FFIX...no one can deny this!

Hell, I can! FFX was Uematsu's weakest score IMO. It just lacked the depth of the other FFs. Sure, it had killer tunes like To Zanarkand, Otherworld, Blitzball Gambler and Seymour Battle, but Id be hard pressed to find more.

FFIX was rated by Uematsu himself as his favourite sound track. So he disagrees with you.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/focu...r-nobuo-uematsu

Notice how he says without any hesitation that FFIX is his favourite musically and overall. The man's got taste. So too does Sakaguchi, founder of Final Fantasy. It seems that the people who truly understand what makes a great gaming experience agree with me. wink.gif

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But some of it was very unimaginitive. For instance...Ispens Castle. Who cares....its a castle! They really didnt create anything new and different.

That has to be the worst example Ive ever heard in my entire life (no joke). That castle was the most imaginative castle in FF history. For a start, it was upside down. Secondly, they messed around with all the gameplay combinations so that weak attacks did more damage than strong ones. (equipping daggers increased damage a lot). Then they put in a bunch of traps and a couple of riddles. I dont see how that was unimaginative. And its not as if you spent a long time in it or anything. You can complete Ipsen's Castle bit in under an hour.



Oh, and JS. If you think the FFXII spinoff stuff is bad. Say that to this cutscene:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Jhr9kikuNQ&feature=related
Burrgle
I dont care what Uematsu thinks about his own music. I like something because I like it! If you werent hung like a light switch....maybe you would like something for you too. tongue.gif

Ispens Castle wasnt nearly as imaginative as Zanarkand! I mean common....floating water! EVERYWHERE! Waterfalls coming out of buildings..and people live(lived) there! And the lights were pretty. Ispens castle may have been upsiddown...but we could just turn Zanarkand upisde down and it would be right on par.
steiner
QUOTE(Burrgle @ Jun 2 2008, 07:40 PM) *

I dont care what Uematsu thinks about his own music. I like something because I like it! If you werent hung like a light switch....maybe you would like something for you too. tongue.gif

Lol, my point was this though. You said;

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Still...when I listen to FFX..its so magical...more so than FFIX...no one can deny this!

And my point was that yes they can. Uematsu himself denied it. tongue.gif

I mean IMO,

The Place I'll Return to Someday > To Zanarkand

Musically speaking, the polyphony is just amazing.
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Ispens Castle wasnt nearly as imaginative as Zanarkand! I mean common....floating water! EVERYWHERE! Waterfalls coming out of buildings..and people live(lived) there! And the lights were pretty. Ispens castle may have been upsiddown...but we could just turn Zanarkand upisde down and it would be right on par.

...I dont know what you're talking about. I never saw that in FFX. I you sure it wasnt in FFX-2? Remember, they're different games so FFX-2 cant fit in the comparison. Which is lucky for FFX-2, because I heard that it sucked.

lol, upside down Zanarkand. That just wouldnt work. laugh.gif
Burrgle
I could make it work! And you would realize that if you werent RETARDED!! biggrin.gif

As for the "no one can deny this" statement. Obviously an overstatment! Of course it is not true! It is an outragous thought to think that everyone agrees with me. The ones that dont though....are silly poopie mcstoopid faces. tongue.gif
Chrono
OT : I'm not against Steiner. I was just stating a fact, that's all.
Burrgle
Please Chrono, elaborate...tell the world exactly how wrong and foolish Stiener is with quotation and citation! biggrin.gif
steiner
^Exactly.

@Chronos: You can find the full script of FFIX on GameFAQs. You'd better start looking. You may be there a very long time. wink.gif

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The ones that dont though....are silly poopie mcstoopid faces

Actually, I think you'll find that the ones who disagree with me are the 'silly poopie mcstoopid faces'. And so, ironically, you are one of those very people of whom you despise. Do you see it now Burrgle? When you bared your sword against me, you bared your sword against the law.





XD, I quoted FFXII, just to piss you off some more
Burrgle
(O).(o)
-dies of death-

FFXII.......the liquid splurging from a boil on the back of an aged walrus who has had sex to so many baby Dolphins that it makes our fishnets look good? I think so.

-SIGH!-
Only mommy killers like FFIX....are you a mommy killer?! biggrin.gif

Chrono
Zidane flirting with the ladies. That's cheesy IMO. The way he talks to them. lol.. XD And the way he talks to his friends, sometime it makes me laugh really hard. XD Rusty... *giggles* XD
Burrgle
Wow...somebody used an XD overload...maybe if you used less of them..people would take your posts more seriously!

....XD

Hahahah tongue.gif

But I in reality I dont think it was cheesey the way he flirted and talked....lots of people do that. Well...cheesey...but not the point of unrealism.
steiner
lol, it worked. tongue.gif

That was good enough for him, so its good enough for me. I didnt think the flirting was cheesy.


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-SIGH!-
Only mommy killers like FFIX....are you a mommy killer?!

YES! biggrin.gif




Anyway, I am seriously in love with Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions at the moment. The cutscenes are absolutely phenomenal. Just a pity there aren't more of them, because they make the rest of the game seem a little boring. (only a little).

I just keep watching the same cutscenes over and over again, they were done so well IMO. - Genius.

Then again, some cutscenes in FFXII were genius. Especially the bits at the top of Pharos, the opening and in Mt Bur Omisace.
Burrgle
Dude...the cutscenes in FFXII sucked....it was just like...look at us..standin and talkin and shit. Oh? Theres a conflict...oh well...we will see no character devlopement...so well just not think about it and go our own ways once we stop doing thing. Uch...we all hate eachother.
...thats what the cut scenes say to me.

I loooved tactics! How is the PSP version? I didnt think that there was much different in it. But I saw one of the cut scenes..and the art work is fantastic! I love the way they handled it. Its simple but appealing.

Hmmm...-fantasizes about FF spin off games and goes to fan boy mode-
You know whatd be realllly cool!? If they made an FFX game based on the events that transpired in Zanarkand 1000 years ago. Make up some characters, throw Lenne and Shuyin in there (and maybe four seconds of Tidus) and then there can be Yunalesca and Zeaon! AHHH! It would be grand! And you could start the first calm! smile.gif
Chrono
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Wow...somebody used an XD overload...maybe if you used less of them..people would take your posts more seriously!

....XD

Hahahah tongue.gif

But I in reality I dont think it was cheesey the way he flirted and talked....lots of people do that. Well...cheesey...but not the point of unrealism.


XD

Well, when I was younger, I thought it was cheesy. That's all. beee.gif
Burrgle
Hmp! I wish you had more of an opinion so that we could argue more.....mommy killer!
steiner
Aww, come on. Zidane is a legend. He pinched Garnet's butt. tongue.gif

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Dude...the cutscenes in FFXII sucked....it was just like...look at us..standin and talkin and shit. Oh? Theres a conflict...oh well...we will see no character devlopement...so well just not think about it and go our own ways once we stop doing thing. Uch...we all hate eachother.
...thats what the cut scenes say to me.

shok.gif

But the script! It was amazing. I mean, at times it was better than Shakespeare himself. The clash of wills, the complex emotions masked by few words, the subtle facial expression and just the sheer intelligence of it all. I dont get whats not to like.

Then again, the cutscenes in FFT are even better. There are less of them though, but they are all of very high quality.

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I loooved tactics! How is the PSP version? I didnt think that there was much different in it. But I saw one of the cut scenes..and the art work is fantastic! I love the way they handled it. Its simple but appealing

PSP version is awesome. It was my first time. The script is like the script in FFXII now, which for me sounds really amazing. I think its a really great script apart from the occasional weirdness. The cutscenes, as I said, are phenomenal. I also love how you get Balthier - he's the strongest character in the game. Just edging out Cid (Orlandeau) in terms of strenth. You also get Luso from FFTA.

Oh, and there are a couple of new jobs. Im still trying to get the ultimate dark knight job.

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Hmmm...-fantasizes about FF spin off games and goes to fan boy mode-
You know whatd be realllly cool!? If they made an FFX game based on the events that transpired in Zanarkand 1000 years ago. Make up some characters, throw Lenne and Shuyin in there (and maybe four seconds of Tidus) and then there can be Yunalesca and Zeaon! AHHH! It would be grand! And you could start the first calm!

No. Just no.


Ya know what would be grand though? If the folks at SE grabbed FFX, grabbed FFVII and shoved them down a toilet and flushed it. Enough already - those games have had enough fan service to last a life time.


Burrgle
-SHIEKS!!-

Okay! One...you are compareing FFXII and FFT to Shakespere....um.....yea...youre dumb tongue.gif

Two...I always hated how overpowered some of the characters you get later on are....it was completely unbalanced! BOOOO!

And THREE! FFX....FFVII...TOILET?!?!??

Okay kiddo....it's Daddytime!

-drags stiener off to the closet!-
Chrono
I rather play Final Fantasy X over XII. Even X-2 is more interesting in the 'characters developments' department. FFXII feels too Star Wars-desque. I rather watch the original Star Wars. Thank you.
Burrgle
<3 Chrono. I love you...we should get married. He is completely correct, even the character devlopment in FFX2 was more exciting and interesting. Even the characters werent bland! All of them had such exciting costumes. And what did FFXII characters have?! NOTHING!

FFXII was a little too StarWars esque! I agree with Chrono....its almost like....a copy! SE is a copy cat!

Yea....Yuna had more personality than all of the characters in FFXII..and Yuna was the weaker personality of the three girls. And Rikku had more personality than the game. All of the characters of FFXII were so collected and wise. It was so annoying. Vann and Panelo were the only two interesting characters.....and that was ruined by lack of airtime. And Baltheir was cool too! But there were so many characters like the serious Ashe/Fran/Larsa/Basch/Vossler/Reddas tetrahedron. It was terrible. Uch.

In FFX2. One serious character who thinks shes realllly cool. One goofball. And one character burdened with a troubled past who is in the process of over coming it!

FFX2>FFXII tongue.gif
steiner
^I think you guys were just too blind to see it. It was subtle. Probably too subtle for you.

Personally, I enjoy subtle character developement - even if FFXII took it to the extreme. I'm a firm believer that you can say so much with just a single sentence or face.

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<3 Chrono. I love you...we should get married. He is completely correct, even the character devlopment in FFX2 was more exciting and interesting. Even the characters werent bland! All of them had such exciting costumes. And what did FFXII characters have?! NOTHING!

Oh, and Fran's costume wasnt exciting. tongue.gif

FFXII was intelligent, and it dealt with some complex issues. I very much doubt FFX-2 did that.

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Yea....Yuna had more personality than all of the characters in FFXII..and Yuna was the weaker personality of the three girls. And Rikku had more personality than the game. All of the characters of FFXII were so collected and wise. It was so annoying. Vann and Panelo were the only two interesting characters.....and that was ruined by lack of airtime. And Baltheir was cool too! But there were so many characters like the serious Ashe/Fran/Larsa/Basch/Vossler/Reddas tetrahedron. It was terrible. Uch.

Oh my God. Are you serious?

I thought that Vaan and Penelo were far and away the least interesting characters. I thought Balthier was awesome, Basch's internal conflict was superbly done for the most part, Vossler's in going battles of alleigance was also brilliantly portrayed. Reddas as well was a gem of a character - 'I, Judge Magister, condemn you to oblivion!'. And then there are the Judges. Each of whom have their own motives and ambitions, while the Senate too are involved in their own games of power. You can just hear them testing their ideas, trying their rulers, worming their way towards power.

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Okay! One...you are compareing FFXII and FFT to Shakespere....um.....yea...youre dumb tongue.gif

Hey, Ive studied Shakespeare. Im entitled to my opinion.

Personally, I feel that the script in FFXII is more eloquent than most of Shakespeare's scripts. I sometimes thinks Shakespeare tries too hard in his attempts to convey metaphors and allegorys. And sometimes his manipulation of the language to achieve iambic pentameter feels contrived. I felt FFXII's script on the other hand, was mostly effortless. In fact, while the plot was quite weak (then again, Shakespeare's plots were weak), the script IMO was genius.





Burrgle
Well...even most theater buffs think that Shakeshere is cheesy and overdone, the fact that FFXII carries this style...makes it.....cheesy and over done!! tongue.gif

And I say Panelo and Vann where the only two cool characters because of the fact that they were both so cheerful, but they did not get enough air time so they couldnt contrast that much with with the other four.

And the fact that you are comparing Frans "exciting" constume with her personality and saying that her costume makes her personality exciting...is just stupid and jeuvenille! Hahhaha.
steiner
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Well...even most theater buffs think that Shakeshere is cheesy and overdone, the fact that FFXII carries this style...makes it.....cheesy and over done!! tongue.gif

Shakespeare...cheesy?

Really? Ive never heard anyone say that before. Even though I agree it can be cheesy at times - especially in comedies, in serious fare it isnt usually. Maybe its because the plots he uses are weak. But FFXII was much less cheesy than other FFs like FFX. Come on, you gotta admit that.

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And I say Panelo and Vann where the only two cool characters because of the fact that they were both so cheerful, but they did not get enough air time so they couldnt contrast that much with with the other four.

FFXII wasnt really a cheerful game. There were only a few lols along the way. I mean, I didnt really feel cheerfulness was so necessary, although more of a contrast could have been nicer.

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And the fact that you are comparing Frans "exciting" constume with her personality and saying that her costume makes her personality exciting...is just stupid and jeuvenille! Hahhaha.

Dont take words outta my mouth. I never said that. I just said her costume was exciting. I didnt mention her personality.

Fran was actually a very wise and old person. So her personality was interesting but not particularly exciting. And lol, that was a funny spelling of the word 'juvenile'. tongue.gif
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